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The truth about time travel

Postby forbidden planet » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:12 am

The truth about time travel:

We have all heard the seemingly odd explanations given by NASA and other space astrophysicists about the problems associated with time travel. Well in sort most of what they claim do not hold water! Firstly how many times have we been given some story about distances and time to traverse them, for example, the galaxy you reside in is suppose to be around 100,000 light years across, about correct in this assessment. Nevertheless, you are then told that this would apparently transpire it would thus follow, it would take 100,000 years at light speed to cross it. Assuming you have light speed ability of course. This is a ridiculously and preventatively long period of (TIME). As a result, it becomes almost becomes a meaninglessly long concept to even conceive.

The truth:

As one of your great visionaries Albert Einstein discovered space time is relative, this also applies to time as well as space as they are inextricably and mutually exclusive to each others existence. So, what does this mean? This means on earth to travel 4 light years at light speed, on earth from our time and perspective observation, 4 years would have passed before you reach point (B) from point (A) common sense. The 3 dimensional logic of Earth breaks down when we consider the passages on board this craft at or approaching light speed. Time “from their perspective”, time slows the near you get to light speed. Thus at about 85 to 90% of 186,000 MPS time all but stops, this thus has an effect of collapsing the very fabric of space, as it cannot maintain perceived normal 3D integrity, again as they are mutually exclusive to each other! What does this imply? This effectively means space itself collapses and to the occupants of the craft, space becomes a singularity, all of space. As a result, you become at this point omnipotent within the known 3D universe. This actually means all of space and all of time, become instantly available to the occupants of the craft. The problem is, this assumes we are talking of a physical 3D craft and occupants. Also, As Einstein discovered, as you approach these speeds, you and the craft become infinitely large, thus needing infinite energy, to propel yourself. It becomes exponential in it’s requirements of energy. How do you circumvent such restrictions? The only known way is to jump into the 4th dimension unshackling the restraints of these physical restrictions holding the craft and occupants within the 3D universe. This you call the quantum realm of existence of antimatter, quirks, and other forms of reality. This has the effect from the 3D worlds perspective of appearing and instantly disappearing into nothing. This is why, you see, some of these crafts you call UFO’s, appear and disappear into nothing. They effectively jump into the 4th dimension. With this ability, time travel and space travel become almost a meaningless term, appearance in this dimension is more a temporary focus of attention rather than an existence. Therefore, time travel, as you would use the term is obsolete as it effectively does not exist, to the craft and the occupants!

In conclusion: Your journey aboard the craft across your galaxy from point (A) to point (B) 100,000 light years becomes instant with no time at all passing by! Your worlds view of worm holes is not quite correct although it is on the right track. In fact what happens is the entire universe becomes what you call a worm hole not a narrow corridor. You would be able to pop in and out of any time and place, within this physical universe. This does not consider other universes which are just as real as yours as stated within the quantum realm. You call them dimensions, of which, there are many. :(
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Re: The truth about time travel

Postby Klimhazard » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:15 pm

For those who were interested when forbidden planet mention the '4th dimension', this is also know as the '4th density'. The terms are often interchangeable but I prefer using 'density' because dimensions confuse one because you could be referring to spatial dimensions (such as length, breadth and width). So for the next bit of my post I'll use 'density' terminology.

In my research I've found densities mentioned in two main fields. One is esotericism and the other is in certain extraterrestrial sources (sometimes with an esoteric element). To define densities esoteric-wise, 'densities' are levels of consciousness. Generally there are 7 (but some believe there to be more) densities, 1st to 7th. The higher the density the more acute and advanced the level of consciousness. Now according to most esoteric sources, everything is consciousness including ordinary matter not just humans and animals. 1st density is the consciousness of minerals and matter, 2nd of plants and animals, 3rd of humans and some aliens, 4th of other aliens. According to many esoteric sources and one extraterrestrial sources there are smaller levels between the major densities.

However, while the physical matter of the earth is in 1D (1st density/dimension); all the matter on Earth as an intelligent collective exists in the 3rd density (some say the Earth is already in 4th density). To use a simpler comparison, all of the physical matter in our bodies is 1D, but when we group it all together we can find it behaves in 3D manner. The same with alien spacecraft, they can be shifted to higher densities. The two main ET sources that I know of containing info about densities. This would be ZetaTalk (I will admit, some of the claims on this site are not to be taken seriously) and Alec Newaldsw CoEvolution (more reliable). Zetatalk provides channelled information and as such is of dubious credibility. CoEvolution is much more interesting. To save the reader a long read I'll summarise it:

The author Alec Newald is abducted by a groups aliens called the Elders. The Elders live on a devastated planet orbiting a dying star and are stuck in between 3D and 4D. This '3.5D' accelerated the life of their star causing it to emit harmful radiation and their planet is losing its atmosphere. This 3.5D state does have some advantages though, the elders are able to travel through time quite easily in pyramid-shaped craft, on their planet they also have a teleportation machine. Basically the Elders are hoping to integrate their race into ours and the whole point of abducting Newald was for him to deliver their message to us.

Now what I've gathered with UFO and other advanced technology, electricity is used to change the base density of the craft from 3D to a higher density (somewhere inbetween 3D and 4D) to render it invisible from human eyes. Through personal research I've also found that the higher the density the more space 'bends' and the more interconnected matter is amongst itself. Now say you take a saucer-shaped spacecraft and you change the densities at two opposite ends with one side's density being higher than the other's; this results with the one side's organisation of space contracting and the other expanding. This results in a funnel-shaped tunnel in which the saucer can 'fall' through. This is how the Greys' technology apparently works.

Now the Elders use time-travel technology (who say this method is safer because the way I just described above can cause the craft to explode sometimes) works differently and I'll try to explain it as best as I can. First to differentiate between to esoteric terms- space-time and time-space. Space-time (space divided by time) is a 3rd density concept and basically means you have a series of events/spaces separated by time. One can say that 3D time is that which keeps events separate. You have a linear progression of time. This is the technique I use to comprehend space-time: Imagine a pitch black room. In this room are spheres lined up in a row. In each sphere is a picture of a scenario or event. The spheres are lined up in chronological order, so say you pick a sphere; to one side are all the events that lead up to that situation (representing the past) and on the other side are all the events that are to come (representing the future). If you move from the past in the direction of the future then the reality defined by the spheres plays like an animation.

Now time-space (time divided by space) is much more complicated. What you get is all possible events/scenarios/outcomes-of-actions existing at the same time but seperated by space. To use the previous method I used for space-time- Imagine once again that you are in the pitch black room. Now instead of a line of spheres, imagine the whole room filled up with variants of a particular event or situation. Imagine that in one sphere you are eating a burger at a particular time but in another, at the same time, you are eating a pizza (sorry for the lame analogy). A more radical interpretation is that we have two different timelines separated by the the spaces of two different universes. Now the Elders say when you zoom in on an atom (view its 'negative energy cycle' or something of the sorts) you will be able to see a whole range of parallel universes containing different scenarios as well as variants of the same scenario. Now densities 1 to 3 aren't completely in space time and 4D in time-space rather they each ahev elements of the other.

Now with the Elders' technology, in order to move from A to B, they shift into a reality in which they are already at B. I myself don't have the book and what I've read is only excerpts but using what I know about densities and time-space this is how I figure their technology could work.

So thats my understanding of 'dimensions'. Similar but different from what forbidden planet stated.
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Re: The truth about time travel

Postby TwistedX » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:56 pm

WELL THEN LETS BUILD THIS MOTHERSUCKER I WANA SEE MY MOM AGAIN AND MY GRANDMA AND MY BESTFRIEND THAT DIED I WANT TO BRING THEM BACK HERE
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Re: The truth about time travel

Postby forbidden planet » Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:30 pm

TwistedX wrote:WELL THEN LETS BUILD THIS MOTHERSUCKER I WANA SEE MY MOM AGAIN AND MY GRANDMA AND MY BESTFRIEND THAT DIED I WANT TO BRING THEM BACK HERE



:mrgreen: The truth is these people never left! They are still there, within their own time frames, carrying out a never ending trip around what they did at these times. They are Echo's, as the mind is freed at the death of the body to be able to truly experience the 4th dimention and all that it offers. We are locked within the body, and within this 3D world and universe, until we die!! But this reality gives us an ability to experience what it's like at lower planes of existance!
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Re: The truth about time travel

Postby Klimhazard » Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:32 pm

That brings about all sorts of moral dilemmas and other things to think about. Would deceased family members in another reality really want to leave their own families... How about one's other selves? Are they separate entities or do they belong to the same super-being?

An even more interesting question would be would you be: if you are living in the 4D would you be able to access someone in 3D? If a planet is solely in 3D, does it also exist in time-space or is it limited to space-time? Would a 3D being be able to exist in extended periods of 4D without adverse side-effects?

So many questions, sometimes I just wish the Powers That Be would allow for disclosure so we can have questions such as these answered.
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Re: The truth about time travel

Postby TwistedX » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:07 pm

OK...LETS BUILD THIS THING
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